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Pat Shearin
The President has really screwed things up. He has lost any faith I had in him. With the new Health Care bill, I no longer am able to get the medical and prescriptions I need. They are out of my budget, and I have a heart condition.
Priscilla King
I haaate the bill. I want it to collapse from its own impracticality before it costs me a penny! And yet, seeing it as a topic here reminds me...I do have to respect President Obama for taking the blame for this one. Bill Clinton would have blamed it on some White House employee. W Bush would probably have got some Congressmen to support it while making speeches about how he personally didn't. Feh. Misguided though he is, at least this President's a gentleman.
Tracy McCoy
Obama Health Bill, I have family members what use Obama Health Care, it is way for all American to have affordable health care. What society would not want to make sure that whether it is you or me, if I got hurt I could go get well. Excellent bill, and a great opportunity for us as a society to start helping others in need, instead of keeping them down.
Jessica Hardin
I think that he is taking the steps to allow us to be successful.... like everything it needs work... It is hard now but I believe adjustments should be made in order to change it!
Joeby Reed
I don't like this much because of how it effects people now all the work places only want give out part time hours so they can avoid having to pay health insurance to there employees
Pat Shearin
Obama Healthcare is a total joke. Since it went into effect, I have not been able to use my insurance due to high deductibles on medical and prescription. That means the 3 doctors I have and the 13 medications I take are sometimes forgotten. If I don't have the money, I don't go to the doctors regularly for my heart condition and I cannot afford the medications, so I don't take them.
Ashley Huffman
I am so sorry to hear that. But I totally agree with you. It's hurting people more than it's helping them. It's a complete & utter joke.
Emily Jansen
What a disaster this whole thing is and makes absolutely no sense. I have a friend who is 85 and she has to pay for her Blue cross and her Medicare plus she has to pay out of pocket higher amounts for her prescriptions and doctors appointments. Looks to me like we all got the wrong meaning of preventative medicine. Its just preventing people from getting any care.
Leah Lassiter
It is mindboggling that Obama and his advisers never considered that younger, healthier Americans do not want to pay for older, sicker ones. I am an older, sicker one and I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to do so myself.

Fortunately, I chose a job field that provided health insurance coverage in retirement which converts to secondary coverage when Medicare kicks in. And I chose that long before I ever heard of Obama.
Kris P. Bacon
I'll gladly help pay for the wellness of my fellow Americans, because this country was built on unity.

If the country operated on the belief of "every man for himself," we'd basically just be Somalia.
Priscilla King
I would like to pay more straight taxes (trust me, I would *love* to have a taxable income) that were paid directly toward the medical care of older, sicker Americans. No weaselling about whether or not there'd be money in the fund for me so it was really an investment all along, blah blah; I never believed that, but I never minded my Social Security deductions going toward the support of my disabled elders. Just *say* that the medical needs of disabled Americans are costing the country X amount, and my share is X amount. I have no problem with that.

But I do have a problem with everything being processed through the insurance rip-off industry (and other greedy third parties) who are pocketing much more than is actually being spent on medical care.
Pat Shearin
After he changed the health care laws, I have been paying out of pocket for medical and prescriptions. I cannot even use my insurance. A five thousand deductible on medical, and twenty five hundred on prescriptions, by the time I pay towards the deductibles it will be a new year and I will have to start all over. My husband is paying for insurance we cannot even use. I have 3 doctors and thirteen prescriptions. I have a heart condition which keeps me from working, but I can't get disability because they say my husband makes too much!!
Michelle Houchlei
So sorry to hear. That sounds really expensive. I have yet to hear someone say how great Obama Care is. Sounds like a joke for most.
Pat Shearin
It is definitely a joke. I have to decide between doctors, prescriptions or paying a bill. I am not happy about him at all.
Sandra Burch
Deductibles and co pay stop many people from seeing their doctor. Obama care does NOT work. We were better off how things were.
Ashley Huffman
So sorry to hear that,It will be cheaper foor us to pay the penalty with our income taxes than to get health insurance. It doesn't help people one bit.
Amy V
Any Western developed country has a healthcare system that is far, FAR better than America's and most of us don't realize just how much better.
Bev Szamborski
What baffles me is... why would anyone want the government to take it over. We've seen what has happened to the VA, USPS, Social Security, etc. They fail at everything that is put in their hands. Why would anyone choose to let them handle our healthcare?
Ashley Huffman
Amen Amen Amen,govement run programs are running this country deeper and deeper into the ground every single day. No one is going to be able to afford to live if we continue this way.
Jae'La Grip
It is so sad to see the government likes to S*** in there own back yard. They are so greedy that they cant see what they are actually doing. I can only imagine how much worse it will be in 10 years.
Leah Lassiter
Well said Jae. I especially feel that way about the illegals issue. I'm listening to the radio right now and I just heard,on an FM talk show, an American woman speak about " the rights of the immigrant children. "
Gimme a break! No one coming here ilegally HAS any rights.

When it comes to Obama care, any rational person knows it came about not because of citizens needs, but money in deep pockets. Those enriched politicos are old fat cats who will be long gone before the full effects of their actions destroy this nation.
Jae'La Grip
I dont agree with immigrant children getting rights. What is this world really coming to. They are just asking for trouble if this happens in so many ways. but then again like you said these fat cats dont care all they care about is there pockets right now and for what you cant take that money with you when you die.
'Colleen Chickie
When the Obama Health Care Bill came out they took out my normal insurance... My mother was a teen mom and was always a single mother. We do not have much income but they took it away... It is very saddening especially because I get sick so often. On top of that they make us pay a fine if we do not get the Obama Health Care... We do not have enough money to already get health insurance and they make us pay for not having it?! Ridiculous... It has done nothing to me but bad. That's just what happened to me and what I think about it.
Viola Thornell
I agree with you Colleen. I am lucky I a retired elder and that I have Nedicare and Medicaid but my daughter and her family are not so lucky. My daughter is in terrible health and they can not afford even the cheapest insurance nor can they get it through the state.
'Colleen Chickie
They really need to fix this. Most of us are not happy with this and they know it! There have been many complaints
Jeanette Spillman
I don't agree nor like the Obama Health Care Bill. It has hurt people more than helping them. Plus it is taking away one of our civil liberties which is a constitutional right.
Amanda P
I agree! I mean, health insurance is expensive, especially when we don't have it at our jobs, etc. My hubby had open enrollment, and to add 3 of us, would be $300-$400 a month. I told him, forget it, lol. Rather pay the penalty!
Darlene Atkinson
It is hurting people and what is worse is that the president and everyone in politics get free insurance for life. It is sad that they can get free insurance while the rest of us have to pay. My husband is lucky that the Veteran's Administration gives him free insurance because we are low income because he has several medical conditions and needs care.
I am sorry that your husband would have to pay more to add you and your family on.
Amanda P
Yes, it is bad! When I worked as a receptionist in a medical office, I got really low cost insurance and even got seen free sometimes where I worked, but for everyone else, it's not fair! I am looking now, at getting a government job, was even thinking of joining the military, but I am too old, lol
Jeanette Spillman
It is very sad to know that "He" would lie to people about how good it would do everyone but in reality the whole thing is hurting for all. I believe the everyone should have free medical but I do NOT agree with having to pay a penalty for not having it and I don't agree with the high costs and all the lies.
Jodi Nethery
I have only seen a couple people that has benefited from this.They were people who had kids with major health conditions and they had not been able to get them on insurance before. Other than that, I have not heard from anyone that it is a good thing.
'Colleen Chickie
Amanda P. $300 to $400 per month is crazy! I might as well pay per doctors visit... No one really gets sick enough to pay $3,600-$4,800 per year.
Priscilla King
Colleen Chickie is behind the times. There are "treatable" diseases that make the cost of keeping someone alive for one more year more than $5000. But let's face it, I for one would feel comfortable if I were only *earning* $300 to $400 per month...and if we let the insurance rip-off corporation keep on with this insanity it'll soon be much more than that! Whatever plan this country forms to provide medical care to the needy, it needs to put the insurance industry completely out of the picture and pay *doctors only*...so that doctors can afford to treat ordinary working people!
Sanette M.
First of all this should have never passed because the DUMB butts didn't read the whole thing. Companies are cutting people's hours so they don't have to pay for insurance, people are losing their jobs completely because companies are shutting down and, people signed up for Obama Care but A LOT have not paid into the system. In order for this to work healthy Generation Xers (people in their 20 to late 30s) have to sign up and pay into the system. Yes it's great that people that couldn't get insurance before have it now but if the healthy don't buy into the system then it will become more of an epic fail than it already is. I for one will take the fine because I can't afford to insure my family and pay the bills and yes there are people that can't even get state insurance because they make to much money.
Trish L
That is us, can't afford insurance and make to much for help. What is funny, is our monthly bills are less then 1500 a month. and we still barely make it, working for the state.
Sandra Burch
My husband took out insurance on just himself through his workplace. Now when he goes to the doctor, what use to be free cost him almost $500 every three months. That's on top of his monthly insurance payments. Just having the extra payments have caused us not to have the money to have his car fixed. Now we have the first bill for his doctor visit and the test he has to have each time he goes on top of that. Hes talking about not going to his next appointment but he has already had two heart attacks and really needs to go. I have no clue how we will manage.
Kenneth Cody
i know some people are doing FSAs and then when they need to go to the doctor for something they are trying to negotiating rates/cost because they are paying with their FSA account which is as good as cash. A lot of hospitals like that. Of course it wouldn't be perfect but it may work for certain things like doctors visits and prescriptions
R G
Fsa accounts are ok, it is pretax dollars, but it is still your dollars. So it is still money you have to pay.
Lori Hopkins
My husband gets seen through the VA program, which is a blessing. I tried to sign up through the exchange, and just for myself it was 170 a month, which right now we cannot afford. I signed up for it, but have no way to pay it, so therefore I really have no insurance. Hopefully his new job will have decent ins for us.
I mean, we have all seen just how efficient the govt runs the VA, right? Imagine that on a MUCH LARGER SCALE. That is what we're moving toward, and I for one do not like it!
Darlene Atkinson
Please thank your husband for his service. I know the VA is efficient the VA is, but as I tell my husband at least his has insurance and that it the most important right now. I hope your husband's new job gives better insurance for you and your family.
Lori Hopkins
He really does get good care through the VA, but it does take a while to been seen. Not nearly as long as what we have heard in the scandal, but not what you would get seen at your private offices. The people are good to him there, I haven't ever been treated that good at ANY other dr office before. The good news is that he will be getting good insurance through his work, I just have to hold out 90 days and pay out of pocket(which we don't have right now) but we will make do.
I DO NOT agree with people on here that say people deserve FREE healthcare, because SOMEONE pays for it, even if you don't. How is that fair to anyone?
Kenneth Cody
Following up to FSA Accounts.. a Flexible spending account means your pre tax dollars go into an account to be used for your medical expenses. Healthcare no matter how you look at it, is not free.
Tutti Harris
I am totally against the Health Care Bill. It has already made it very hard on our family. We cannot afford the insurance and the companies we work for cannot afford to carry our ionsurance as they have before all of this from Obama. I am totally against it.
Ellen H
So apply for a subsidy. If insurance really is a financial burden, and you don't live in a state with a governor who cares more about playing politics than he does about his people, then you'll probably receive assistance.
Rick Mitchell
I don't think subsidies are really as easy to get as they want you to believe. I'm well below the poverty level, and I couldn't get one.
Ellen H
What state do you live in, and how did you try to get a subsidy? Through your state's exchange? Did you apply for Medicaid? If you're truly below the poverty level, you almost certainly qualify for Medicaid.
Rick Mitchell
I don't disclose where I live on this site, but I went through healthcare.gov. I don't remember what the specifics are of the last time I looked into Medicaid, but I just tried it again to refresh my memory, and the site is not behaving. I'll probably be able to qualify for Medicaid next year, because my income level has changed, but that doesn't really help much now. The point is, subsidies are clearly not automatic for anyone who is legitimately burdened by the cost of insurance under the ACA. When I took a look at the marketplace early in the year, even the Catastrophe Only coverage was way out of my reasonable price range. For people who can get subsidies, I guess this probably does end up being somewhat useful, but it isn't hardly a generalized solution. Look at all the stories here, that's quite a resounding consensus.
Mary Kirkland
My daughter is working part time, has a child and is well below the poverty level and yet even with a subsidy they were going to have her pay $65 a month for Obamacare. She applied for medicaid and was denied after having her son and the year was up. They only allow you to have medicaid here if you are pregnant or disabled ect.. and you get medicaid for a year after giving birth but once the year was up she was cut off even though she is making minimum wage. She couldn't afford the Obamacare so didn't sign up to get it and said they can try to make her pay the fine if they can get the money out of her.
So I agree, for some people it's just not working.
Darlene Atkinson
Mary, it is sad that your daughter does not qualify for medicaid. I am not pregnant and am not working (besides on here) and I qualified. I wonder if your daughter should reapply and then if she gets denied have her appeal. I had applied through the Nevada health exchange.
Jessica Paton
Tutti, I read that people who live in a state where the governor has rejected Medicaid won't have to pay the punishing fines since it's not their fault the governor made a bad choice. You may want to check the rules for your specific state, but that may alleviate some of your concerns if it's true.
Priscilla King
Ellen H, I don't *want* a subsidy, and I certainly don't want anything to do with Medicaid. I want, believe it or not, to pay for my own health care plan (basically taking care of myself so I stay healthy) and for any medical care I may need in addition to that. When we get the subsidies and insurance out, I may have a prayer of being able to afford things like glasses or blood pressure medication, both of which I'll probably need in another twenty years.
C W
We just had our annual insurance meeting at work. We had to switch carriers because our previous insurance provider wanted to raise our premiums 29% because of Obama Care.
Emily Jansen
I am curious as to why they have to raise the rates. Its not think the doctors are charging more and they have to compensate. Do you know why it is? I would really like to know because its just ridiculous .
C W
I don't know for sure. We were just told that the company refused to negotiate the rates. It really is ridiculous. Luckily they were able to find something for us that is pretty decent.
Emily Jansen
I think the companies just did this because they are retaliating against the whole ACA. Doing this would certainly tick some people off and put them against the whole thing
C W
Maybe, but it's not really a good move. It just punishes the "little people" instead of the people that approved of this mess in the first place.
Valantina Rosemonelofski
Be thankful Obama still allows companies to carry health insurance, under ObamaCare once it has been accepted there will be no other health insurance allowed under Obama's law.
C W
I haven't heard that before. I thought companies were allowed to as long as they followed certain guidelines. Do you mean when it is fully implemented? Hopefully the next president will put a stop to it.
Kenneth Cody
That is not true - i think you ought not to scare people. Do you have any "proof" or facts to back up your claims on this "no other health insurance" theory
Ellen H
Rates are going up because insurance is getting better. More preventive and routine care is covered. It costs more up front, but it costs you less down the line.
Mary Kirkland
Ellen, just a heads up for you so you don't get banned. It is against the Chatabout rules to go down the page and answer all the comments. While you haven't commented on 'all' of the other comments you have commented on a very high percentage of them in several different threads.

Rule 4 states..."4. Do NOT just work down the pages replying to all comments. Other members look at this as nothing more than a way to accumulate more points faster with minimal effort."
Ellen H
Thanks for the heads-up, but I'm not in violation of the TOS. I'm not just working down pages replying to everything -- I'm looking at the comments on topics I care about and engaging with a handful of them. And I'm not just making trash posts, either.

Thanks for your concern, but posting a lot is not the same as "working down the page." I've seen several spammers on this site, but genuine replies are not spam!
Mary Kirkland
Hey, no need to get hostile. We were asked to help out other members by letting them know if they were working down the pages and I just wanted you to be aware not to do that so you didn't get banned. I never said you were making trash posts either.
Ellen H
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to come off as hostile. I do appreciate you taking the time to post and point it out. Sorry if my tone came off as angry.
Mary Kirkland
Not a problem at all. Hope I didn't come off as a nosy busy body or something. I just know people who have been banned and was trying to help out.
Lori Hopkins
There are people that the ins companies have to cover that are not paying into the system. That money has to come from somewhere, hence the higher premiums. Where did you think it would come from?
Tee B.
because of obamacare myself and my husband were able to get full care health coverage, including dental and eye exams. i definitely like it. while i know alot of people were negatively impacted by it, there are those of us who have nothing but great news to report back. love my obamacare.
Emily Jansen
I was just talking to a friend who works at a Dr.s office and she said that the company that handles that insurance is getting 7000 people a day signing up for it. Problem is not too many Drs& Dentists are accepting it. So that could be a problem for a lot of people.
Ellen H
What do you mean, they're not accepting it? Different practices accept different companies' insurance plans, but it's not like Obamacare is an insurance plan in itself...
Emily Jansen
I'm talking about the medicaid program. My sister has to drive 40 minutes to a dentist because she couldn't find one that takes it in her area and she lives in a decent size city She has MS and had to switch doctors because they didn't take it and the same with her urologist.
Donna J
If this is a good thing ~ then everyone should be on it...including the President & his family & all of the congress and the senate. Should have never been inacted in the first place.
Ellen H
The reason they're excluded is because they already have health insurance through the government. This objection is totally meaningless.

And I think you meant "enacted."
Emily Jansen
I was truly hoping that this would of turned out to be a good thing for all the American people but I guess not. Its a true disaster
Darlene Atkinson
I had a feeling that it was going to be a disaster. I know that many people hate Obama care because it has affected their jobs. One person lost their job completely and the other one had gone from full-time to part-time.
Emily Jansen
I think if both parties actually set down and put a plan together it could of been a good thing but the government officials that are in the big corporate pockets didn't want it so it was set up to fail. Other countries have it and it works just fine so its just a matter of our government/corporations greed
Jaime Watson
Huge change takes a long time to actually work. You can't expect for everything to be perfect when something this big is introduced. And I'm sure there are millions of people who previously did not have access and are now able to have access to healthcare and necessary medications that wouldn't agree that it is a "true disaster"
Emily Jansen
You are right that it does take time but so it has benefited some and it has really beat up on others. I'm saying that it was suppose to be the "Affordable care Act" and it has only been affordable for the poor.
Jaime Watson
I have several middle class acquaintances that have benefited from ACA.
Most people that are considered "poor" receive state based insurance via Medicaid. The insurance companies choose to make the statement that ACA is the reason for price increases when that isn't the case. It is no more expensive for them to insure individuals than it was before. However, it is easy to make a profit by blaming the president because people are eager to believe it. I have also heard of doctors telling patients that because of ACA they can no longer address multiple issues in a single appointment because the insurance companies have changed their policies. That policy has been in place for years.
Emily Jansen
I have heard nothing but complaints from people who are struggling to pay for their insurance. Just read the comments on this topic. Plus I have friends who are having problems. People who make $10 an hour are having to shell out money for insurance they can't afford or do without. So how is it affordable. I am not blaming the President I am blaming the government as a whole, not being able to act like real government officials and do their job for the good of all people not just the rich. This is why it was set up to fail because of the corporations in the officials pockets. I believe its retaliation.
Priscilla King
I know of no poor people who've reported any evidence that Obamacare has worked, is working, will ever work, or can ever work for them. Mostly they're complaining about work hours, if they can find work, or opportunities to find work, or whatever handouts they get while not working, being cut.
Viola Thornell
A person should never be forced by a government to buy health insurance. I am on medicare and medicaid so it has not really impacted me but I have family that it has impacted. I am not an Obama fan as he has done some sneaky things and I do not like that.
Kenneth Cody
it does not make me happy either than people are being forced to have to pay ridiculous amounts of money on health insurance.
Ellen H
Why shouldn't people have to take personal responsibility? Also, people aren't forced to buy insurance. Either you buy insurance or you pay the fine. It's up to you. The fine is there to offset the costs incurred when stupid uninsured people end up in the hospital.
C W
Ellen you can get your point across without calling people names.

You seem to be knowledgeable of this health insurance thing. I haven't been able to find an answer - how come men have to pay for women's services and vise versa?
Ellen H
I don't even know how to respond to that question. That's just how insurance works. Everyone pays into a big pool, and then that pool covers the costs when someone needs a payout. What are you not understanding about that concept?
Rick Mitchell
"Why shouldn't people have to take personal responsibility? "

Fining people for not doing something is exactly the opposite of giving them the freedom to take personal responsibility for it.
Ellen H
Except that lots of people DON'T take personal responsibility when left to their own devices. And long term, those people present a drain on the healthcare system and the economy, because they didn't take responsibility for their own health.
Rick Mitchell
And they will continue not to take responsibility for their own health even if we give them free health care. So how is that a solution?
Kimberly Coleman
Ppl will drain the economy in another way even if it did help health care. This is just another set up to take from ppls hard earned money to make the rich richer and the poor die off. I assume we are over populated in the foreign governments eyes that run this country in the ground. It's ridiculous to assume that if one could not afford health care before that they can afford a fine after or that if they worked for every dime before only to be broke on payday and now they are fully jobless because they were fired to help cut back company insurance costs. WAY TO GO TOTALLY SOLVED AMERICAN DEBT 100%.. I am sure the starving,needy,poor Americans that worked their backs out to make it and are now forced to enjoy living in their cars,with family,or shelters and barely getting by or eating because of this, while the president enjoys 30 vacations on our dime yearly.. Totally makes sense now!!
Ellen H
Getting healthcare IS taking personal responsibility, Rick. I don't understand why you're so against widespread health insurance. What's the problem?
Rick Mitchell
"Getting healthcare IS taking personal responsibility, Rick. "

By your own admission, it's not. Never mind the semantic difference between my definition of personal responsibility, which is making a personal choice to do something responsible, and your definition, which is the government coercing you to do something through the threat of punishment. Those are two very different definitions of taking personal responsibility.

Even looking past that, though, you said yourself elsewhere that this only works if people get their regular checkups so that there are fewer medical problems arising, and then it will be cheaper in the future. THAT is the part that's taking personal responsibility; going to get your checkups, doing "preventive maintenance," so that you don't get sick in the first place. We have absolutely no reason to believe that the average person will start doing that more often because of the ACA. Just having a piece of paper that says you're insured doesn't mean you're actually using it responsibly.

"Rick. I don't understand why you're so against widespread health insurance."

I have no problem with widespread health insurance if it's implemented properly. The ACA is not.

"What's the problem?"

This page is the problem. This page is full of stories from people whose financial situations have been very negatively impacted by this disastrous law. These aren't rich fat-cats who need to be cut down to size, these are ordinary people like you and me. Why isn't that a problem for you?
Ellen H
"By your own admission, it's not."

Uhm, what? Where did I say that? And I never said that this ONLY works if people get regular checkups. I said that the overall cost of healthcare will go down if people have access to preventive care, and that's true, but it's still better for someone to be insured than uninsured if they're going to neglect their health. At least that way when they need emergency care, the burden falls to their insurance and not to the taxpayer.

And frankly, I don't believe half the stories here. Do YOU believe absolutely everything someone tells you on the internet? If so, have I got a deal for you!
Rick Mitchell
"Uhm, what? Where did I say that?"

What I meant was, when you talked about "make sure you get your checkups," that indicates there's more to being personally responsible for your health than just being covered by health insurance. You act like the government forcing people to get health insurance automatically makes them responsible, but your own statement about still needing to police yourself to get checkups belies that. Each person has to make ongoing decisions to be responsible, not just have a federally-mandated piece of paper.

"At least that way when they need emergency care, the burden falls to their insurance and not to the taxpayer."

...Which is why the insurance companies all raised their rates so that they wouldn't go bankrupt when all these new clients eventually need emergency care. So if the premiums are going up for everyone, how is that any better than everyone just having to pay more taxes? In short, the burden is still falling on the taxpayer, it's just the insurance company taking up the collection instead of the government. It's not like the bill just goes to the insurance company and then magically disappears; they would all go out of business if that's how it worked.

"And frankly, I don't believe half the stories here. Do YOU believe absolutely everything someone tells you on the internet? If so, have I got a deal for you!"

I don't need to believe "absolutely everything." Given the sheer volume of negative stories on this page, and also on the Obamacare page, even if fully half of the stories are complete fabrications, the other half are still more than enough to indicate a trend and a near-consensus. Can you really say that you're being reasonable and open-minded if you just assume that every single negative story here is a fabrication? If you are being reasonable and not making that assumption, then you have to admit that there are more than a couple people who are being hurt by this. There's just no way to get around it, unless you're willing to just close your eyes and convince yourself that every single person here is a dirty liar (not because you have any evidence for that, but only because it validates your prior belief).

If you don't believe half the stories here, then why aren't you more upset about the devastating effect the ACA is still having on the other half?
Ellen H
I guess you'd rather see uninsured people go without basic healthcare. Frankly, I don't care if someone's premium goes up a bit if it means that everyone gets access to the care they need.
Rick Mitchell
"I guess you'd rather see uninsured people go without basic healthcare."

Yeah, just assume everyone who disagrees with you is a heartless monster who likes it when poor people die. It's obviously not true, but hey, do what you gotta do to hold onto your preexisting bias.

"Frankly, I don't care if someone's premium goes up a bit if it means that everyone gets access to the care they need."

This isn't about people's premiums going up "a bit," it's a much steeper increase than that. So how are those people going to afford basic healthcare when the premiums themselves are costing them so much that they aren't able to afford the co-pay/deductibles (which also seem to be increased)? Just having insurance doesn't guarantee that all the healthcare you need will be given to you just that easily. If you can't afford co-pays and deductibles, then really the only healthcare you're going to be able to get is emergency care. And hey, guess what? Uninsured people already get that, except they don't have to pay exorbitant premiums every month, thus decreasing their quality of life in other areas over and above their medical issues. That's what you're calling an improvement?

I don't like the idea that uninsured people go without basic healthcare, which is why I don't like this law that seems to be making basic healthcare unaffordable for everyone equally. Just because there is a problem with healthcare doesn't mean this was the right solution. There's every indication that it's just making the whole situation worse. But hey, you don't have to listen to what I say, since you've already decided I'm one of those heartless monsters. But whether you choose to believe it or not, the bottom line is, the fact that I do care about the people who go without basic healthcare is exactly the reason that I have a problem with this disastrous law. I've seen nothing to indicate that this does "mean that everyone gets access to the care they need." Just the opposite, in fact.

I ask you again; if you care so much about these underprivileged people, why aren't you more bothered by how many of them are suffering as a direct result of the ACA?
Ellen H
Oh, poor babies. Suffering. Having to get health care. How sad for them, getting subsidies to ensure their basic needs are met.
Rick Mitchell
OPEN YOUR EYES!!
Not everybody who can't afford the new premiums can get subsidies! (And getting a subsidy still doesn't guarantee that healthcare will be affordable.)
Not everyone is getting access to the care they need!
Not everyone's basic needs are being met!
Not everyone who has a story of being financially devastated by this is lying!
Not everyone who opposes the law wants uninsured people to be denied care!
Not everyone who is insured can actually afford treatment, or medication, or all the other things you're failing to consider when you act like a health insurance policy is a Get Out of Jail Free Card for medical bills!

In a wide variety of areas, your support of this terrible idea is based on factors and assumptions that are not actually consistent with REALITY. You're starting with a conclusion, and willfully ignoring any data, evidence or viewpoint that contradicts what you've dogmatically accepted as the unassailable truth. And then you have the gall to be pretentious and condescending toward the very real suffering of the same people you claim to care about.

All I can say is, you make me proud to not be a liberal.
Ellen H
Oh, honey. You're just so willfully ignorant. Unless you want socialized medicine, then your hatred for Obamacare is based either in misinformation or brainwashing.
Rick Mitchell
"Oh, honey. You're just so willfully ignorant."

Right back at'cha. I think it's really funny how you claim my opinion could only possibly be the product of willful ignorance and/or misinformation, but you automatically ignore all of the dozens of accounts on here that contradict the dogma you're preaching. You claim that "misinformation or brainwashing" are the only reasons people might oppose the ACA, when there are so many stories of people's financials situations being absolutely wrecked by it, and I'm the one who's willfully ignorant? Take that post you just wrote about me and read it out loud while looking in the mirror.
Ellen H
They don't contradict what I'm saying at all. Nowhere did I claim that nobody would have problems. Under the old system, someone who was uninsured would have THEIR financial situations completely wrecked if they got sick or into an accident.

Truth is, once Obamacare is fully implemented, things will be better than they were before. Nobody ever said it would be perfect, and just because there are some kinks to work out doesn't mean it's not a positive force overall.

I don't have any hatred for Obamacare, so my post wouldn't make any sense if I were reading it to myself. You ought to work on your reading comprehension.
Rick Mitchell
"They don't contradict what I'm saying at all. Nowhere did I claim that nobody would have problems"

If your opinion wasn't that no one would have problems, then why do you insist of delegitimizing, belittling, or accusing them of being outright lies when I bring them up? It does give one the impression that you're dogmatically refusing to believe that any problems exist.

Also, the incredibly pretentious tone of comments like "have you never heard of subsidies?" and "oh, poor babies" make it sound like, even if you do acknowledge the fact that these problems exist, you could not give a rat's behind about the people whose lives are affected by them. A little sympathy goes a long way.

"Under the old system, someone who was uninsured would have THEIR financial situations completely wrecked if they got sick or into an accident."

And they still might, if they can't handle the deductibles or co-pays (in addition to the monthly premiums in themselves). Having coverage and having good coverage are very different things.

"Truth is, once Obamacare is fully implemented, things will be better than they were before."

...If everything goes just the way it's supposed to. Maybe the ideal implementation of the ACA would be better than it was before, but we can't rationally ASSUME that the idealized version will be what actually happens.

"I don't have any hatred for Obamacare, so my post wouldn't make any sense if I were reading it to myself. You ought to work on your reading comprehension."

What I was referring to was the part of your post where you talked about willful ignorance and brainwashing, which should've been glaringly obvious by the context of my statement. I didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you, but I guess I presumed too much.
Priscilla King
Ellen H is so totally missing the point. The costs are incurred because the insurance industry has been allowed to inflate the cost of medical care. If just walking into a hospital didn't automatically produce a four-figure bill, then we uninsured people would be able, and I for one would be willing, to pay for any occasional medical care we need. (I used to get worrisome symptoms checked out, receive reasonable bills, and *pay* those bills, before the insurance scam artists took over.)
Kimberly Coleman
Priscilla My granny whom we chatted about on a previous post has been paying for 20 yrs on a bill from my deceased grandfathers last cancer surgery. Ppl would and will pay a reasonable amount medical bill however since all this change she is drowning in medicals and her humana Ins. will only cover so much which leaves her with triple the amounts after it's all said and done to pay out of pocket thanks to this .. I agree with you 100% she is missing the points!! My granny is being screwed over fully! She was approved for SSI 10 yrs ago yet has never received a single chk. She now has about 60,000+ in medical bills at age 72 and disabled cannot work cant even walk and lives on a petty chk from my grandfathers death from some sort of Army payment and his SSI which is not much at all. She gets nothing but discounted Ins. that does not even pay all the bills in the end they denied her medicare. Now this is a 72 yr old with heart,kidney,COPD,has had colon cancer now wears a bag I forget the name but that is just a few of the health issues! No way should she have been turned down and can't work when a mother of 7 failing urine screens is fully taken care of.. Egghh this makes me so angry !!
Lauren Andrews
It has it's good points, and it's bad points. But as a woman with pre-existing conditions I view it as a step in the right direction. Women can no longer be charged higher premiums for owning a ****, contraception needs to be covered etc.

Does it need to be ironed out? Yes.
Does it need to gain some things and lose others? Yes.
Do I still benefit from it? Yes.
Kenneth Cody
a family friend of ours is able to now pay for medication and based on that, i do see how it has potential. i just wish that the benefits were across the board.
Sandra Burch
My husband just got insurance through his work. Until now we qualified for free care at our local hospital. Now instead of being free he has to pay $35 for each doctor visit not to mention the co-pay for all the lab work he has to have done each time (which was free before insurance). We just got his first bill and his normally free trip to the doctor will cost us almost $400. What that means to us is the possibility of having to lose the internet and our phone in order to pay for his monthly trips to the doctor. I see no potential for good with that.
Kenneth Cody
And that is exactly what I mean about how the benefits are NOT across the board. If there is ability to make it so someone is able to pay for medications, theres no reasons your bill should double like that.
Darlene Atkinson
My brother is out of work and had applied for Medicaid and still has not heard from the government. It is sad that many people cannot afford health insurance and yet the government expects us to pay. My husband gets free medical insurance through the VA which is helpful because his walking boot is over 16, 000 and his medications are not cheap either,
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